Hirvonen drives with a describing system

Oikee=Right
Vasen=Left

Nopee=Fast
Täys=Flat
Eri=Medium
Serpo Takavisto=Hairpin (Takavisto means "back". Therefore this is a tighter hairpin )
Tosi Hidas=Really slow
Hidas= Slow
serpo=round hairpin, in french lacet
risteys=junction

kaks -- two -- 20 meters
kolme -- three -- 30 meters
neljä -- four -- 40 meters
viis -- five -- 50 meters
kuus -- six -- 60 meters
seittemän -- seven -- 70 meters
kaheksan -- eight -- 80 meters
yheksän -- nine -- 90 meters
sata -- hundred -- 100 meters
satakymmenen -- hundred ten -- 110 meters
satakakskymmentä -- hundred twenty -- 120 meters
and so on

They drop off the zeros from 100 because it's to long to say

nyppy -- crest
hyppy -- jump
hyppää -- jumps, will fly
heitaa -- You will fly sideways (he uses this note when a corner goes over a jump, and he have to slide the car but still going to fly)
oikee laita -- right side
vasen laita -- left side
oikealle -- to right, slightly right before the corner itself
vasemmalle -- to left, slightly left before the corner itself
keskeltä -- middle
leikkaa -- cut
älä -- don´t (cut)
pidä sisällä -- keep inside
Sisältä – inside (an addition to a note that makes it bit faster)
hae -- seek
yli -- over
heittää -- slings, car will not jump straight
tosi -- really
varo -- careful
huomio -- attention!
so huomio huomio varo means attention attention careful ;)
Jarru -- Braking

vähän -- A little bit (Kirra vähän, tightens a bit)
Kirra -- Tightens
Kirra Kirra -- the corner tightens bad
sumppu -- fishing corf means that road does not continue logically (or as you would expect) after the corner and if you drive normally, you will drop off the road or hit a tree or stone
paha -- bad
ahdas -- narrow, tight

The word tiukka that he uses a lot is basically i tight corner. It's difficult to explain

Hirvonen also has some special notes, for example "mene" which translates to "go". It has the same meaning as "plus" (+), so the corner is bit faster than without the "go" note. Another one is "käännä" which translates to "turn!". This note tells Mikko that he can throw the car into the corner more aggressively than normally.

JM Latvala and Miikka Anttila use a numeric note system. Actually numeric pacenotes are rare among Finnish drivers. Latvala and Anttila use a scale from one to nine (1-9) where one means that the corner is totally flat out and nine is a very tight hairpin. All kinds of basic additional notes (e.g tightens and narrows) are pretty much the same with other Finnish drivers.

Hirvonen wants his notes to be delivered rather aggressively as you might have noticed from the onboards, whereas Latvala's notes are read much more smoothly and he likes them to be repeated few times.

Could someone clarify what kind of notes Loeb uses? I've been trying to determine their system for ages but I just don't get it. Do they really use a system which tells Seb the angle or degree of the corner? What about the distances then?

It would be interesting to hear more info about pacenotes in different languages... Sordo/Marti in Spanish...Duval/Pivato in French?

Hey, great stuff :D I always wondered what those "add-ons" meant, but now i know :D

I know that Loeb drives with a very special system, and I think he uses a scale from 1-10. Maybe he combinates this with a describing system as well. They may use the numeric system so that it tell the corner degree (1 is 10°, 2 is 20° and 9 is 90°)

I will soon post the swedish pace notes from PG Andersson if anyone wants :D

P-G Andersson Pace Note system
P-G uses a numeric system 1-6

Höger – Right
Vänster – Left

Öppnar – Opens
Nyper – Tightens
Över – Over
Krön – Crest
Lyft – Jump
Sprätt – Bump
Håll höger – Keep Right
Håll Vänster – Keep Right
Håll Mitt – Keep Middle
Varning – Caution
Lång – Long
Extra Lång – Extra long
Kort – Short
Sten – Stone
Inner – Inside
Ytter – Outside
Till – Into
Easy – Watch out
Vägskäl – Junction
Hårnål – Hairpin
Bro – Bridge
Stolpe – Pole
Slipp – Slippery (very slipp)
Stort – Big
Little- Little
In – keep in
Tidig – Early
Sen – Late
Smalt -- Narrows

Numbers
Ett (1) – One
Två (2) – Two
Tre (3) – Three
Fyra (4) – Four (Actually it’s FYR)
Fem (5) – Five
Sex (6) – Six

Tjugo (20) – Twenty
Fyrtio (40) – Fourty
Femtio (50) -- Fiftey
Åttio (80) – Eighty
Ett Hundra (100) – One hundred
Two hundred and so on

P-G also have som english pace notes, cause the swedish words can easily be misunderstood. For example
He uses the note ”Don’t” wich means Don’t Cut, and ”Brake” for braking. He also uses ”Cut” and I hope you understand what that means =)


Here is an example from this vid http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=4vVMGjiWtTE

Right 4 minus, opens over crest 50 and tightens 5

Left 6 over crest 50 and tightens minus 120

Keep right into Left 5 minus over crest 100

Keep right in dipp into Left 6 opens over jump 50

Crest and dip 80

Right 6 over jump 100

Right 5 over crest opens 50, Caution big dip 60

Right 4 over 2 crests, opens 50 and tightens minus keep in over
crest 60 (00.36)

Left 6 over jump 80

Crest 50, Right 3

Left 5 minus 100

Left 5 minus long tightens a bit, BRAKE Right 3 half long tightens 2 plus 80 (Spin)

Right 4 minus half long, opens 30, Left 3 50

Left 3 plus keep in over crest 100
Right 3 plus 80

Small crest 50

Early Left 4 opens over crest 50

Left 4 minus half long 120

Right 4 long tightens narrows

Left 4 plus over crest

Crest into Right 4 100

Left 5 minus over junction opens 120


Hope you enjoy it! I can get you the entire stage if you want! This is only two minutes =)

/Robin

Congratulations guys for the great contribution.
Sigan así ¡¡¡¡
Can place the notes used:
- Gronholm / Rautiainen
-Makinen / Mannisenmaki and whit Kaj Lindström
-Solberg / Mills.
Since already very grateful.
Greetings from Chile

I can try to do place the notes used by Petter wich is a amazing system!! He describes the road very much in detail! Look out for it ;)

This is the Sordo Notes. I extract the notes in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHTieASBQ3w

Derecha=Right
Izquierda=Left

They use a scale from one to nine (1-9) where 9 means that the corner
is totally flat out and 1 is a very tight hairpin. (like latvala, but opposite, copy-paste) ;)

He use a numeric note to say the distance between 2 curves.

Diez - Ten - 10 meters
Veinte - Twenty - 20 meters
Treinta - Thirty - 30 meters
...

Cruze - Junction
Redonda - Round (poor english...)
Se abre a... – Opens to "number"
Se cierra a... - Tightens to "number"
Se cierra mucho - A lot of tightens.
Larga - Long
Muy larga - Extra long
Por fuera - Keep outside
Por dentro - inside
Abrirse - go outside (in the start of the curve)

Tarde - Late
Poco - a little bit ... With other note.

Rapida - Fast
Lenta - Slow
Muy Lenta - Very Slow
Mala - Bad curve

Corta - cut
En rasante - Over the crest (in a curve)
rasante/ras - crest
Estrecha - Narrows
Ancho - mm opposite to narrows (... poor english, sorry)
Doble - Double curve.
Fondo/A Fondo - mmmm max throttle
Posible Fondo - maybe max throttle

Atención! - attention!
Frena! - Brake!
Frenando - breaking! only if he must break in the middle of the curve!
Patina - Slippery
Bota - mmm ¿Bounce? (poor english)
Sucia - Dirty
Barro - ¿mud? (poor english)

EXTRA:
"Cambio de asfalto" - Asphalt will change.
"Ojo cuneta" - mmm It´s like : Attention, don´t cut, some object inside (like stones...)
"Carril" - When the curve is dirty and there is only a clean lane.
"Salida estrecha" - It´s mean "Narrows on exit"
"Mano" - Use handbreak.

I´m not sure with this notes:

"Situar" - ?¿?¿
"Con salida" - ?¿?¿

¿tim? - ¿Dirty?¿cut? (I´m not sure...) second curve in the video
¿tom? - ?cut a lot? Third curve in the video
i´m not sure. actually i´m using this this system (i´m codriver), but i´dont use this words and... i think are not a spanish words.

Vista - I don´t use this too. Maybe someone can help me in this words.


¡Cheers! Sorry for by bad english. Actually i´m using basically this notes too.

http://www.teamrepauto.com/Fotos%20Pilotos2/maderas.jpg
Jorge Moran Arias/Ruben Carballo
Fiat Punto HGT

The notes in the video.

Left Six Cut Ten
Right Five Cut ¿tim?

...

Left,Six,Cut,Ten

Right,Five,Cut,¿tim?,Opens to...
Six,Max throttle,Asphalt Change,Thirty

Keep Outside,Left,Six,Extra long, Tightens to...
Five "in blue arrow", Fast, ¿tom?, Fourty

Attention!, Break!, Chicane In third gear, left-right-left, Twenty

Left, Six, over the crest, Max throttle , Sixty

Attention!, Break!, Junction!, Left , Two, Very Slow, "Ojo cuneta"

Anyone have a descripton of english notes? I want to learn how to write pacenotes and see how the pros do it.

when you're writing pace notes you describe the road. How fast you can enter the corner, how severe the corner is and how it looks. You can use a describing system, or a number system. The describing system is like the on Matthew Wilson drives with, and a number system is like Colin McRae and Petter Solberg has.

In the recce the driver and the co-driver will drive the stage in 70-90 km/h and the driver tells the co-driver how he want to have the note. They looking for stones etc anything dangerous. Then the drive the stage one more time and the co-driver reads out the pace notes and the driver can make som corrections.

When Colin McRae drove, he used a number system 1-6 to describe the corners. This numbers told in wich gear he had to enter the corner. Then he have som add-ons like cut, don't cut, plus, minus, slippery, care, caution and so on. There is actually no limits in what you can put in your pace notes, but you have to consider the information the driver have to take in.

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=KsDf0nK2-Fs&feature=PlayList&p=5DA1C7E06D4BBD36&index=1 example of colins pace notes

L=Left
R= Right
/= Over
+=Full throttle
-= Half throttle
<=Opens
>=Tightens

6L/Crest 150,
5L/Crest Line Lg,
Into 6R 50, L>6, and 6L,
into 6R</Cres 50
6L/crest middle, and 6L 50
6R>-/Crest Line, adn
6R</Crest

Petter use a number system combine with a describing system:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_EHrDZRvQ

L=Left
R= Right
/= Over
+=Full throttle
-= Half throttle
<=Opens
>=Tightens
lg=Long
Hlg=Half long
E=Early
Fl=Flat
Crest=C
Jump= J!
Big Jump= BJ!
Ke=Keep
Sh=Short
In= Keep In
Out= Keep Out
Mid= Kepp Middle


5L+< 20
Flat6R+/C< 150
Line to 5L- Hlg/C> E -/C < 40
Cut 4L-Hlg< 50
E Sh Fl 5R+< 120
Ke R/sC, E 6L+/C Hlg In Into
6R+/C < 50 !> 5-/J! <
6L+/J! 40
Line 5R Hlg>/J! < 50
Ke L/C Fl6R+/sJ! In 60
6L 40 Mid/C

You see the diffrence, don't you? You want some mote info? Contact me ;)
/Robin

Anyone who can post Loeb pace notes?

Great thread!
Amazing how these drivers can put them into a queue and take them out the other side while driving.
Shame there aren't any good drivers atm which use English so I can follow them (Solberg-Mills were too fast anyway).

A few months ago I found a picture on the net of around 20 different types of corner in the "Finnish pace note system", but I can't find it now.

In this video of Latvala's Argentina 2008 crash, Anttila seems to say what sounds like "good boobs" before they go off - what does this mean? I guess it's something like "oh shit".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNHPPzXje94

Anttila says "nyppy yks" which translates to "crest one". So there is a full speed crest coming ahead. Too bad they didn't make it to there but went out of the road.

Sometimes I'm surprised how the codrivers continue reading the pacenotes even if the car is in a uncontrollable slide etc. This Märtin/Park (rip) clip is a prime example of it. Gotta love how Beef just keeps his head down and continues reading the notes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hIOrpeYyxc

omg, thats a cool englishmen :P

What means "Sidoo" or something?

"Sido" doesn't really have any good translation. But basically it means that the driver has to use the brakes (simultaneously with the throttle) to stop the car from jumping too much.

come on, anyone who can explain some pace note system? Duval, Loeb, Henning Solberg?

Hello Raúl.
I think I know what "situar", "tim" and "tom" are.
"Situar" is the same as "line" for Colin Mc Rae (RIP) and Petter Solberg. It means that Dani should keep a way of the road to have the best position for the next corner. For example, "izquierda 4 lenta situar, derecha 3, 50.....", it means that Dani should keep the inner line when he gets off from izquierda 4 lenta to have the best position for derecha 3 and go through it with the best trajectory and gaining some 1/10" with that little thing.
Regarding "tim" and "tom", I think they represent some bumps in the road, tim is for a little bump where the car makes a tim (jeje), and tom is for bigger bumps, like humps in the road.
Please, correct me if you think I'm wrong, I think they mean that.

God bless you all my wrc fan friends!

Hello Zachary.
Here I have some Petter Solberg's Notes.

It's the same as Dani Sordo but Petter has numbers from 1 to 6. It sometimes respects the gearbox, 1 for 1st gear and the

same till 6 for 6th gear. But it depends on the rally, it's not always like that.

"Flat" is a flat out bend, then goes "6", "5", "4", "3", "2" and "1".
Tighter than a "1" is a "hairpin"

So you have the 6 numbers or "hairpin" plus left or right.

Some extras about bends are:

Tightens= the bend tightens (sometimes Phil says "tightens 2" or "tightens 3", it depends how much the bend tightens).
Opens= bend opens.
Long= it's a long bend which continues with the same number.
Extra long= extra long bend with the same number all the bend long.
Extra extra long= extra extra long bend with the same number all the bend long.
Short= it's a very small bend.
Cut= can cut the bend through the inner line.
- (minus)= eg.: "3 right minus....", it's a little more tightened than a "3" but it's opener than a "2".
+ (plus)= the same as minus, but the opposite.
slow= I'm not really sure about this one (¿?).

Some extras about position in the road are=

line= Petter should keeps the inner line at the end of the actual corner to have the best trajectory for the next bend.
keep (left, right or middle)= It's to keep a position in the road, the usually use this for jumps (to have a good landing) or

blind crests.
keep in= I really don't know the real difference between this and "line".

Some extras:

Crest= It's like a big smooth bump in the road where Petter can see to the other side of the crest.
Small crest= it's just an smaller crest.
Black crest= Petter can not see what's beyond that crest.
Small jump= it's like a very small bump where the car is gonna flight a little bit.
Jump= car will flight.
Big jump= car will flight a lot (I love these!!!)
Slippery= the road or bend are gonna be slippery for adherence.
Maybe= it's a maybe option, eg.: "jump maybe...", car will maybe jump... or maybe not.

Slow line= ? (I've no idea)
early= ? (I've no idea)

Please, any one correct me if I'm wrong.

BR!!!

Sorry, I forgot the video.
For me, this is one of the best on board cameras.
This is Petter setting the stage record in Ouninpohja, WRC 2004.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_7XuWYK4yM

I got the pace note from the entire stage :D

By SLOW Petter means that he approaches a narrower section (corner), and by LINE he means the racing line.. In a right corner you should be on the left side ahead of the corner, then cut it half way trough, and then end up at the left side again after the corner.. This racing line makes you go even faster trough the corners. As you say, keep in for the next bend but that depends on what type of bend it is ;) Right or left.. hehe

By early he means that the corner or whatever he approaches occurs faster that you might expect.. He also have LATE wich is the opposite.

SLOW LINE is a merging (?) with the two notes SLOW and LINE

Keep up the good work

Thanks a lot Robin!!!
That`s a great video, I'm a Petter's fan.

Best regards my friend!

By SLOW Petter means that he approaches a narrower section *(corner)*, *should be (slower corner)* or a risky section

I should also add a correction on the corners that petter uses.. 1 is not a hairpin, becuase he also have the note Hairpin, but it's a very tight and severe corner, close to a hairpin!

Something new, Anyone?

Hello Friends.
I appreciate the contribution they have made.
Too bad that now I can not contribute anything :( :(
But I want to know if someone can explain to me how she had to sail with Carlos del Barrio / Xevi Pons, or longer Xavier Amigo speaking Catalan ..... and I do not understand anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPB7TtNDnCA

Can anyone have a try to translate the pace notes of loeb?

Shit, I have no idea about french. I will try to ger Federico Villagra's pace notes. He drives for Munchi's Ford WRT.

Anyone who speaks french here?

loeb notes and the elena "entonation" is art
wish to learn of it
best regards

Hey Robin, great work with the thread, would love to be able to help but my vocab is limited.

I hope someone can help out, please!